Friday, February 28, 2014

From Mormonisms own Mouth, Part II

Becoming a God

What?! I don't get my own planet? WTF?

 When I was going through my faith crisis, I never believed I had to do secret handshakes to get into heaven, I certainly never believed I had to promise to submit to a man to get into heaven. I stopped believing that the leaders in the Mormon church had special access to speak to god.

The one thing, the only thing keeping me in the Mormon church, was the concept that IF I walked away from the Mormon church, I would lose my family, my eternal family...FOREVER!

Now, everything I was taught from the time I was born about that eternal family view; the Mormon church just retracted. We don't get our own planet to inhabit after all, women aren't going to have millions of babies and share her husband with hundreds of women, damn it :::snark:::

What is the draw of being Mormon anymore?

Here is the latest and, well, mediocre article put out by the Mormon church, where they are once again attempting to clarify and at the same time change doctrine that we all grew up with:

Becoming like god

Where the church is now teaching we become LIKE god, it used to teach we BECAME god.

Here are a few scriptures and prophets the failed to quote:
1.  The Pearl of Great Price, which the Mormons hold as a sacred book of scripture:
Abraham 3:2-3 And I saw the stars, that they were very great, and that one of them was nearest unto the throne of God; and there were many great ones which were near unto it; And the Lord said unto me: These are the governing ones; and the name of the great one is Kolob, because it is near unto me,

2. Or this: Kolob, signifying the first creation, nearest to the celestial, or the residence of God.

Book of Abraham, Facsimile 2, Figure 1 

3. They forgot to include what Joseph Smith said about Kolob:  
Kolob… signifies the first great grand governing fixed star which is the farthest that ever has been discovered by the fathers which was discovered by Methusela and also by Abraham.  Joseph Smith - Mormon prophet
Book of Abraham translation working papers
Kirtland Egyptian Papers, Grammar p.34

4. Is Joseph Smith already a God? Brigham Young thought so:
Joseph Smith holds the keys of this last dispensation, and is now engaged behind the vail in the great work of the last days. I can tell our beloved brother Christians who have slain the Prophets and butchered and otherwise caused the death of thousands of Latter-day Saints, the priests who have thanked God in their prayers and thanksgiving from the pulpit that we have been plundered, driven, and slain, and the deacons under the pulpit, and their brethren and sisters in their closets, who have thanked God, thinking that the Latter-day Saints were wasted away, something that no doubt will mortify them—something that, to say the least, is a matter of deep regret to them—namely, that no man or woman in this dispensation will ever enter into the celestial kingdom of God without the consent of Joseph Smith
 Joseph Smith's approval to enter heaven

Does the Mormon church teach we will become Gods, just as God is?
This article at does not seem to say so, but what about past prophets?
Joseph Smith:
" I want you to pay particular attention to what I am saying. Jesus said that the Father wrought precisely in the same way as His Father had done before Him. As the Father had done before. He laid down His life, and took it up the same as His Father had done before. He did as He was sent, to lay down His life and take it up again; and then was committed unto Him the keys, &c. I know it is good reasoning." 
 History of the Church

Joseph was clear in the King Follett discourses that God was once a man then became god:
 God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens! That is the great secret. If the veil were rent today, and the great God who holds this world in its orbit, and who upholds all worlds and all things by His power, was to make himself visible,—I say, if you were to see him today, you would see him like a man in form like yourselves in all the person, image, and very form as a man; for Adam was created in the very fashion, image and likeness of God, and received instruction from, and walked, talked and conversed with Him, as one man talks and communes with another.
    In order to understand the subject of the dead, for consolation of those who mourn for the loss of their friends, it is necessary we should understand the character and being of God and how He came to be so; for I am going to tell you how God came to be God. We have imagined and supposed that God was God from all eternity. I will refute that idea, and take away the veil, so that you may see.
    These are incomprehensible ideas to some, but they are simple. It is the first principle of the gospel to know for a certainty the character of God, and to know that we may converse with Him as one man converses with another, and that He was once a man like us; yea, that God himself, the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth, the same as Jesus Christ Himself did; and I will show it from the Bible.King Follett Discourse

Does the Mormon church believe in plurality of Gods? According to Joseph Smith, there is no denying it:
  I have always declared God to be a distinct personage, Jesus Christ a separate and distinct personage from God the Father, and that the Holy Ghost was a distinct personage and a Spirit: and these three constitute three distinct personages and three Gods. If this is in accordance with the New Testament, lo and behold! we have three Gods anyhow, and they are plural: and who can contradict it!  Plurality of gods

According to, :
 "Latter-day Saints also believe strongly in the fundamental unity of the divine. "

"The fundamental unity of the divine" or in other words:
* A black hole is at one with a star
* A child is at one with their parent
* The earth is at one with the Milky Way

It is vague enough to mean nothing and if someone wanted it to, it could mean whatever they wanted.

Were we taught that the Divine Nature of humans was to become a God?
According to the article in, we were taught this:
 “As man now is, God once was: As God now is, man may be.”43

Yet, the same article also says that a current prophet, Gordon B. Hinckley taught this:
  President Gordon B. Hinckley told a reporter in 1997, “That gets into some pretty deep theology that we don’t know very much about.”

The article doesn't give the entire quote, so I thought I'd provide it for you:

Quoted from Time Magazine, August 4, 1997, “On whether his church still holds that God the Father was once a man, [Hinckley] sounded uncertain, ‘I don’t know that we teach it. I don’t know that we emphasize it… I understand the philosophical background behind it, but I don’t know a lot about it, and I don’t think others know a lot about it.’”

What does the Doctrine and Covenants, a book of holy scriptures, according to Mormons, have to say about this?
D&C 132:
 19 And again, verily I say unto you, if a man amarry a wife by my word, which is my law, and by the bnew and everlasting covenant, and it is csealed unto them by the Holy Spirit of dpromise, by him who is anointed, unto whom I have appointed this power and theekeys of this priesthood; and it shall be said unto them—Ye shall come forth in the first resurrection; and if it be after the first resurrection, in the next resurrection; and shall inherit fthrones, kingdoms, principalities, and powers, dominions, all heights and depths—then shall it be written in the Lamb’s gBook of Life, that he shall commit no hmurder whereby to shed innocent iblood, and if ye abide in my covenant, and commit no murder whereby to shed innocent blood, it shall be done unto them in all things whatsoever my servant hath put upon them, in time, and through all eternity; and shall be of full force when they are out of the world; and they shall pass by the angels, and the gods, which are set there, to their jexaltation and glory in all things, as hath been sealed upon their heads, which glory shall be a fulness and a continuation of the kseeds forever and ever.
 20 Then shall they be gods, because they have no end; therefore shall they be from aeverlasting to everlasting, because they continue; then shall they be above all, because all things are subject unto them. Then shall they be bgods, because they have call power, and the angels are subject unto them.  Becoming a God (emphasis added)
In conclusion:
All human beings are children of loving heavenly parents and possess seeds of divinity within 

There is this one sentence that I can get behind:
* If all human beings possess seeds of divinity and have a loving god/parent, would that god put a plan together that only saved .01% of his children?
* Would a loving god/parent require the females to submit to the fallible males?
* Would a loving god/parent require them to perform secret handshakes to gain entry into his presence, when only loving them should be enough?
* Would a loving god/parent require paying money (tithing) to gain entrance into his presence? 

When the Mormon church teaches that in order for families to be together in heaven, they must be Mormon. I ask this:
What is going to keep the rest of us apart?

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